Comments on: Bacon: Whoopee http://blog.art21.org/2008/05/21/bacon-whoopee/ The Official Blog of Art21, Inc. and the Art in the Twenty-First Century PBS series Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:46:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Adrian Duran http://blog.art21.org/2008/05/21/bacon-whoopee/#comment-5860 Adrian Duran Tue, 27 May 2008 02:50:27 +0000 http://blog.art21.org/2008/05/21/bacon-whoopee/#comment-5860 Nicely put Street. Regardless of this miraculously soupy issue of market value vs. whatever quality may in fact be as a quantifiable entity, it is reassuring that someone, even if perhaps only monetarily, is respecting the sublime and supple history of British mid-century figurative painting. What will history make of its more contemporary iterations? Nicely put Street. Regardless of this miraculously soupy issue of market value vs. whatever quality may in fact be as a quantifiable entity, it is reassuring that someone, even if perhaps only monetarily, is respecting the sublime and supple history of British mid-century figurative painting. What will history make of its more contemporary iterations?

]]> By: Ben Street http://blog.art21.org/2008/05/21/bacon-whoopee/#comment-5744 Ben Street Sat, 24 May 2008 08:46:23 +0000 http://blog.art21.org/2008/05/21/bacon-whoopee/#comment-5744 <p>Wesasketch: first of all, I'm pretty certain that Freud's family tree have nothing to do with his prices. I also liked hearing about Koons and "his - then - Italian wife" (what nationality is she now?). </p> <p>Generally, though, it seems that no sense can really be made of this. The "Conceptual innovators/Experimental innovators" part as evidence of the 'rationality' of the art market assumes that an object's perceived 'quality' is something quantifiable: that (in the case of Bacon, Freud and Bourgeois) the older the artist is, the better. If anything, that's evidence of irrationality, and it sounds like dealer-speak. And it's not true (compare <a href="http://time-blog.com/looking_around/24973006.jpg" rel="nofollow">this</a> with <a href="http://fergus.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/movement_85.jpg" rel="nofollow">this</a>). It's an old argument, but the problem is one of demand outweighing connoisseurship, and not the connoisseurship of "super yachts" (what <em>are</em> super yachts?).</p> Wesasketch: first of all, I’m pretty certain that Freud’s family tree have nothing to do with his prices. I also liked hearing about Koons and “his - then - Italian wife” (what nationality is she now?).

Generally, though, it seems that no sense can really be made of this. The “Conceptual innovators/Experimental innovators” part as evidence of the ‘rationality’ of the art market assumes that an object’s perceived ‘quality’ is something quantifiable: that (in the case of Bacon, Freud and Bourgeois) the older the artist is, the better. If anything, that’s evidence of irrationality, and it sounds like dealer-speak. And it’s not true (compare this with this). It’s an old argument, but the problem is one of demand outweighing connoisseurship, and not the connoisseurship of “super yachts” (what are super yachts?).

]]> By: Ben Street http://blog.art21.org/2008/05/21/bacon-whoopee/#comment-5742 Ben Street Sat, 24 May 2008 08:23:56 +0000 http://blog.art21.org/2008/05/21/bacon-whoopee/#comment-5742 <p>Speaking of bovine, Freud is often described as <a href="http://www.amblondon.um.dk/NR/rdonlyres/B28F40EE-096D-464A-9A0B-51ED070D426B/0/LucianFreud.jpg" rel="nofollow">lupine</a>. I suspect Bacon might be described as porcine, if it weren't such a bad pun.</p> Speaking of bovine, Freud is often described as lupine. I suspect Bacon might be described as porcine, if it weren’t such a bad pun.

]]> By: wesasketch http://blog.art21.org/2008/05/21/bacon-whoopee/#comment-5696 wesasketch Fri, 23 May 2008 22:31:18 +0000 http://blog.art21.org/2008/05/21/bacon-whoopee/#comment-5696 Hey Ben -- what do you make of this NYTimes article/interview on the same subject? Are mainstream, neo-liberal economists in touch with the art world? Article: http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/23/what-does-336-million-mean-in-the-art-world/ Hey Ben — what do you make of this NYTimes article/interview on the same subject? Are mainstream, neo-liberal economists in touch with the art world? Article: http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/23/what-does-336-million-mean-in-the-art-world/

]]> By: info http://blog.art21.org/2008/05/21/bacon-whoopee/#comment-5685 info Fri, 23 May 2008 17:02:46 +0000 http://blog.art21.org/2008/05/21/bacon-whoopee/#comment-5685 Relative value is always a hard, if not impossible, question when it comes to the art market and the actual value it has for culture, let alone the relationship of an artwork to time, skill, and materials. Look at the academic arte povera shite coming out of new york. Someone please defend an argument for why Gedi Sibony is art. Relative value is always a hard, if not impossible, question when it comes to the art market and the actual value it has for culture, let alone the relationship of an artwork to time, skill, and materials. Look at the academic arte povera shite coming out of new york. Someone please defend an argument for why Gedi Sibony is art.

]]> By: SJP http://blog.art21.org/2008/05/21/bacon-whoopee/#comment-5681 SJP Fri, 23 May 2008 15:58:29 +0000 http://blog.art21.org/2008/05/21/bacon-whoopee/#comment-5681 i'm so glad you didn't use the word "bovine". well done, sir. i’m so glad you didn’t use the word “bovine”. well done, sir.

]]> By: ECC http://blog.art21.org/2008/05/21/bacon-whoopee/#comment-5586 ECC Thu, 22 May 2008 15:28:40 +0000 http://blog.art21.org/2008/05/21/bacon-whoopee/#comment-5586 Art critique and entertainment don't usually go together unless you're reading an article by Ben Street. Art critique and entertainment don’t usually go together unless you’re reading an article by Ben Street.

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