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		<title>By: Joe Fusaro</title>
		<link>http://blog.art21.org/2009/05/06/authoritarian/comment-page-1/#comment-11539</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Fusaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 01:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clyde, thank you for taking the time to respond in such detail. I hope I can continue the conversation and that others will join us...

First, I am not sure I want art to be every child&#039;s favorite subject. Strange as it may sound, I actually enjoy trying to &quot;win over&quot; a student who is resistant or initially apathetic about participating in one of my classes. Besides, we shouldn&#039;t assume that all children love art any more than we should assume they love reading or math. We have to engage them and share art/artists that can get them excited to learn more on their own.

I totally agree that students are often left outside the final process of creating curriculum, but they are not exactly disregarded altogether. While it would be a great challenge (and a worthy one) to have students participate in this process, perhaps conversations and informal surveys/interviews can help a school or district inform their curriculum through student participation? 

The word &quot;differentiation&quot; is thrown around a lot and I always worry when teachers are asked to do it without any specifics as to what it looks and sounds like. While I think the teachers I work with on a daily basis do a pretty good job of differentiating instruction, I am curious about what you think a differentiated classroom and curriculum would look and sound like? How would it be different from the classrooms you are describing? Also, and I mentioned this in the original column, I don&#039;t see much evidence of student ideas being suppressed. Rather, I see teachers who are often challenged with the idea of effectively incorporating contemporary themes and processes into their classrooms.

I completely agree with your statement, &quot;...coercing (students) to comply with assignments of which they have had no input, and rendering them as passive recipients of knowledge is problematic. Not only does it limit the possibilities of what students are capable of creating and learning, it removes them from the experience of designing and solving their own artistic problems.&quot; As art educators who realize this and are willing to tackle the issue, it&#039;s our responsibility to make the learning fit the learner more closely. This involves more than just coming up with new assignments. It involves looking at what our students know and are able to do  both when they arrive and by the time they leave our classrooms. Then we must compare this with what they knew and WANTED to learn coming in. From there it&#039;s a matter of adjusting our curriculum and being flexible moving forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clyde, thank you for taking the time to respond in such detail. I hope I can continue the conversation and that others will join us&#8230;</p>
<p>First, I am not sure I want art to be every child&#8217;s favorite subject. Strange as it may sound, I actually enjoy trying to &#8220;win over&#8221; a student who is resistant or initially apathetic about participating in one of my classes. Besides, we shouldn&#8217;t assume that all children love art any more than we should assume they love reading or math. We have to engage them and share art/artists that can get them excited to learn more on their own.</p>
<p>I totally agree that students are often left outside the final process of creating curriculum, but they are not exactly disregarded altogether. While it would be a great challenge (and a worthy one) to have students participate in this process, perhaps conversations and informal surveys/interviews can help a school or district inform their curriculum through student participation? </p>
<p>The word &#8220;differentiation&#8221; is thrown around a lot and I always worry when teachers are asked to do it without any specifics as to what it looks and sounds like. While I think the teachers I work with on a daily basis do a pretty good job of differentiating instruction, I am curious about what you think a differentiated classroom and curriculum would look and sound like? How would it be different from the classrooms you are describing? Also, and I mentioned this in the original column, I don&#8217;t see much evidence of student ideas being suppressed. Rather, I see teachers who are often challenged with the idea of effectively incorporating contemporary themes and processes into their classrooms.</p>
<p>I completely agree with your statement, &#8220;&#8230;coercing (students) to comply with assignments of which they have had no input, and rendering them as passive recipients of knowledge is problematic. Not only does it limit the possibilities of what students are capable of creating and learning, it removes them from the experience of designing and solving their own artistic problems.&#8221; As art educators who realize this and are willing to tackle the issue, it&#8217;s our responsibility to make the learning fit the learner more closely. This involves more than just coming up with new assignments. It involves looking at what our students know and are able to do  both when they arrive and by the time they leave our classrooms. Then we must compare this with what they knew and WANTED to learn coming in. From there it&#8217;s a matter of adjusting our curriculum and being flexible moving forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Clyde Gaw</title>
		<link>http://blog.art21.org/2009/05/06/authoritarian/comment-page-1/#comment-11507</link>
		<dc:creator>Clyde Gaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 03:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Joe for taking my question.

There is a major problem in art education today. 

Art should be every child&#039;s most favorite subject in the school curricula. Humans are connected by evolution to artmaking. 

Within the hetergenous classroom populations that provide
the bulk of students in general art education programs, students are basically left outside the curriculum decision making process. 

My observation, is the vast majority of art teachers execute a curriculum that is planned by them, outside of student&#039;s innate abilities, talents and interests. 

Students generally do not have input into these important decisions.

Learning for the most part is not consensual. 

Most art programs do not differentiate instruction for heterogenous classroom groups.

Now let&#039;s make a distinction. If a student consents to a certain approach to learning, is told what to do, and how to do it, that is the student&#039;s choice.

But when a student&#039;s ideas are ignored or suppressed, that is what I call marginalization.

Art learning should have integrity and credibility with the students who experience it. Students have to care about their learning in order for it to sink in. Otherwise, it goes into one ear and out the other. Learning experiences should be personal and profound. 

Placing students at the periphery of curricular decision making, coercing them to comply with assignments of which they have had no input, and rendering them as passive recipients of knowledge is problematic. Not only does it limit the possibilities of what students are capable of creating and learning, it removes them from the experience of designing and solving their own artistic problems. From an art advocacy perspective, this is poisonous. 

One cannot make the claim that art education experiences empower students to become independent, innovative, creative thinkers if they are left out of the decision making processes central to the ideas they express. 

Joe, thanks so much for allowing my comments.
Best wishes, and warmest regards.
Sincerely,
Clyde</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Joe for taking my question.</p>
<p>There is a major problem in art education today. </p>
<p>Art should be every child&#8217;s most favorite subject in the school curricula. Humans are connected by evolution to artmaking. </p>
<p>Within the hetergenous classroom populations that provide<br />
the bulk of students in general art education programs, students are basically left outside the curriculum decision making process. </p>
<p>My observation, is the vast majority of art teachers execute a curriculum that is planned by them, outside of student&#8217;s innate abilities, talents and interests. </p>
<p>Students generally do not have input into these important decisions.</p>
<p>Learning for the most part is not consensual. </p>
<p>Most art programs do not differentiate instruction for heterogenous classroom groups.</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s make a distinction. If a student consents to a certain approach to learning, is told what to do, and how to do it, that is the student&#8217;s choice.</p>
<p>But when a student&#8217;s ideas are ignored or suppressed, that is what I call marginalization.</p>
<p>Art learning should have integrity and credibility with the students who experience it. Students have to care about their learning in order for it to sink in. Otherwise, it goes into one ear and out the other. Learning experiences should be personal and profound. </p>
<p>Placing students at the periphery of curricular decision making, coercing them to comply with assignments of which they have had no input, and rendering them as passive recipients of knowledge is problematic. Not only does it limit the possibilities of what students are capable of creating and learning, it removes them from the experience of designing and solving their own artistic problems. From an art advocacy perspective, this is poisonous. </p>
<p>One cannot make the claim that art education experiences empower students to become independent, innovative, creative thinkers if they are left out of the decision making processes central to the ideas they express. </p>
<p>Joe, thanks so much for allowing my comments.<br />
Best wishes, and warmest regards.<br />
Sincerely,<br />
Clyde</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 23:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the idea of juxtoposing Calder and Hawkinson.  (Just this morning my students were at the Neuberger Museum (Purchase, NY) looking at a Calder mobile).  Just this past week, my 4th graders were looking at the artwork of Jenny Holzer and one of my students made the connection to another artist named Dave (famous artist who was a slave in the late 1800&#039;s) for his use of text &amp; poetry in his clay vessels.  The idea of connecting the meaning-makers of the past with the meaning-makers of the present is critical to what we do as art educators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the idea of juxtoposing Calder and Hawkinson.  (Just this morning my students were at the Neuberger Museum (Purchase, NY) looking at a Calder mobile).  Just this past week, my 4th graders were looking at the artwork of Jenny Holzer and one of my students made the connection to another artist named Dave (famous artist who was a slave in the late 1800&#8217;s) for his use of text &amp; poetry in his clay vessels.  The idea of connecting the meaning-makers of the past with the meaning-makers of the present is critical to what we do as art educators.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Fusaro</title>
		<link>http://blog.art21.org/2009/05/06/authoritarian/comment-page-1/#comment-11456</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Fusaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 21:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Making a blanket statement like this is really unfair. I work with many teachers and have been in plenty of art classrooms that in no way could be called authoritarian.  I am sorry you have experienced this kind of teaching. How was your experience authoritarian (and what is your name? I doubt people call you &quot;oil painting artist&quot;)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Making a blanket statement like this is really unfair. I work with many teachers and have been in plenty of art classrooms that in no way could be called authoritarian.  I am sorry you have experienced this kind of teaching. How was your experience authoritarian (and what is your name? I doubt people call you &#8220;oil painting artist&#8221;)?</p>
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		<title>By: oil painting artist</title>
		<link>http://blog.art21.org/2009/05/06/authoritarian/comment-page-1/#comment-11450</link>
		<dc:creator>oil painting artist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 13:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>art education classrooms is authoritarian.i can&#039;t agree this viewpoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>art education classrooms is authoritarian.i can&#8217;t agree this viewpoint.</p>
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